Sunday, December 2, 2012

It's gonna be a tough climb for Carrie Underwood as Maria von Trapp in the Sound of Music

The news came through Skype chat, a couple texts, Facebook, and at least one email: "Hey, did you know Carrie Underwood has been cast a to play Maria in NBC's remake of the Sound of Music?" (Made for TV? Really? has it come to this?). This on the heels of Larry Hagman's death, and I find myself caught once again in this surreal world that exists when your family has been immortalized in history (not to mention in song) by Broadway and Hollywood.

(What does JR's death have to do with all of this? Larry Hagman's mother was Mary Martin, who played Maria in the original Broadway production of the Sound of Music. And while he didn't know me from Adam, I always felt a certain kinship. After all, his REAL mother portrayed my REAL grandmother in a fictionalized musical based on the her autobiography. Bizarre thought, right?)

 Anyway, it was the news of the SOM remake and in particular, Carrie Underwood as Maria that really got me. First of all, after 48 years in circulation, is it really possible to remake the SOM? That would be like trying to remake Gone with the Wind (and I haven't heard about anyone trying to do that yet). Its saving grace may be that it will be an adaptation of the original Broadway musical, rather than a remake of the Hollywood blockbuster. (If you've never seen a version of the stage production, there are a number of different songs, and it's slightly darker than it's 'made-for-family-viewing film counterpart.)

 But Carrie Underwood as Maria? Seriously? I mean, I have nothing against her personally - she's an extremely talented country singer, but I'm pretty sure my father  is repeatedly rolling over in his grave. Since the movie version of SOM won an Academy Award the year I was born, it's always been easy to identify with Julie Andrews' portrayal of  my grandmother. It's a little harder to envision Carrie that way. (But I do realize that's what happens when Hollywood freezes time.) And while the girl can sing (although her voice lacks the Soprano purity of Julie Andrews) can she act? I'd like to know who else was in the running. Personally, I'd have put my money on Ann Hathaway, who in her upcoming role as Fantine in Les Miserable, proves that she can act and sing.

One thing is for sure, the news has created quite a stir on Facebook among the von Trapp cousins of several generations. While opinions are mixed, it seems most of us don't think Carrie can quite fill Dame Julie Andrews' dirndl; or Mary Martin's, for that matter. With all this indignation among the third and fourth generations, it makes me wonder, when they cast the original movie, what sort of comments my father and his siblings had about the actors who were portraying them and their parents. Maybe that's why they changed the names of the children.

 In any case, what's done is done. It will be interesting to see how this all evolves from now until the movie airs sometime in 2013. Good luck to you, Carrie. We're a tough bunch to impress, and we'll be watching! ~ F.v.T

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  1. Excellent Post Aunt Francoise! If she does fulfill expectations, we will be biting our tongues for sure!

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    1. Thanks Lily! I think this will be an interesting experience for the family of your generation, as you will all now experience more intensely what its like to be a von Trapp. I'll be blogging about it more and hoping for all your input!

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  2. Carrie Underwood does have some acting experience. You never know how good she will be, she might just win an Oscar in her performance in your movie. Give her a chance!

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    1. Carrie Underwood was the worst choice for this epic and timeless classic. Her acting was atrocious!! Like reading lines from a page and flat toned with her speaking, no emotions and totally unbelievable in the role of Maria.

      I absolutely love "The Sound of Music" and I myself, played the role of Louisa years ago when I was a young girl in our local theater.
      I agree that Anne Hathaway would have been more suited for this role.

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  3. While she definitely has the pipes, Carrie Underwood lacks the charisma for the role of Maria. Julie Andrews set the gold-standard for Maria in the movie. Andrews' playing of Maria is world-known and beloved. Candidly, I am watching tonight's NBC presentation of "The Sound of Music Live" just to see how bad it is. We're about 40 minutes into this flat production and it is meeting my expectations for being very mediocre at best.

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  4. Go Carrie! She's rocking it. I hope all of you are biting your tongues now.

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    1. I'm not biting my tongue at all. Its about what I expected.

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    2. You have got to be kidding. Have you somehow mis-wired your brain?? Your father would have no such reaction to this production. He was one of the von Trapps who knew that there was no real connection between who Julie Andrews portrayed and Maria! Get over yourself. A memoir was written and a movie was made that is about as close to the real story you will get. Very foolish of you to keep hanging on shirt tails.

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  5. Well from what I have watched so far, they were not trying to remake the movie at all. What with the fake scenery, changing where they sang, cutting things out. And Carrie Underwood is by far the best performer out of all of them. At least she can sing and act. The rest of the cast can't act for beans.

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    1. They weren't trying to remake the movie. As I mentioned in my blog post, this was a televised version of the Broadway show, which is quite different from the movie. One good thing to come from this is exposing the original Broadway score and play to the rest of the world.

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    2. to anonymous,

      I'm sorry but you have it backwards. Everyone else, with the exception on the Captain and Maria were terrific actors and actresses; very believable. Carrie belongs where she does her best; on stage singing country. She cannot act for beans.

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  6. I hope you are all feeling pretty bad right about now. Carrie did a wonderful job, and I'm sure she was pretty nervous after all the mean things that was said about her. Carrie you did a wonderful job, be proud!

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    1. Carrie is not an amateur school girl and as a professional in the limelight, I'm sure she's developed a thick skin to criticism. She was at best, meek in her performance. She only came alive during the songs, the rest of the time her acting was flat, in my opinion. And I don't feel bad at all for expressing my opinion.

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    2. Maybe you should be thankful that anyone even cares still about the history of your family. I mean, really? The von Trapp story has nothing to do with you. You just share the name. No one is portraying you. Do you really think that Anne Hathaway wanted to do a TV special after winning an Academy Award? You're just another snarky critic...

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    3. Nasty much? Von Trapp is the ladies name and her heritage. Julie Andrews set a standard, that sadly, a winner of some reality TV singing show which some people have proudly never watched just can't compare favorably with.

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    4. I beg to differ, the von Trapp story has EVERYTHING to do with me. It's my father's story. I grew up with it. I worked at the Trapp Family Lodge, and I have endured a lifetime of questions from people like you who want to know how I'm related, and can I sing, and what parts of the story are true. I'm sure Anne Hathaway wouldn't want to do a TV special. I resent that NBC made it a TV special at all as a ratings ploy. The end.

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    5. Read the critical reviews. Carrie Underwood was dreadful, and was a poor choice for the role. Technically, many scenes had the look of a soap opera. While I like the idea of live productions. this one was mostly hype. Ms von Trapp, ignore the trolls. Your are spot on.

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  7. Thanks for the comments. Clearly everyone has diverging opinions. I'm still processing tonights performance. First reactions - Carrie and the whole cast did a great job on the songs. I found myself feeling bad for Carrie because her acting skills are just non there, but she seemed pretty aware of it and nervous. After the first half I was less focused on the performers themselves, and focused more on the overall performance, which was as good as any community theater performance I've seen. What I still can't figure out is NBC's motivation for putting together what they had to know was a mediocre performance. A friend who watched it with me remarked that while he would willingly watch the original movie again, he didn't need to watch this performance again. That said, I found myself preferring the original Broadway version to the movie. I like the three songs that aren't in the movie. I like that Elsa's character is softer. I like that Brigitte tells Maria that she's in love with her father (much closer to the real story.) According to theater analysts interviewed on the news here, all agreed that Carrie was very brave to do this, and I do agree with that. The Lonely Goatherd number was great. Will post a more constructed post in the next few days that includes feedback from my family, and some thoughts on the overall hoopla this caused.

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  8. Carrie Underwood did ok, but let's keep perspective here. This was a TV event, not a movie remake. NBC would never put up enough money for Anne Hathaway, nor would she consider the role on a made for TV Broadway remake. This was just a quick money grab and not meant to win any awards. To even think that Ms. Hathaway would do it was delusion of grandeur.

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  9. I thought it was a beautiful rendition. I am not much for Carrie Underwood but at least the family story has brought back out into the light for a new generation to see. Many people today have forgotten the Von Trapp legacy and how it began. (My daughter absolutely loved this version where as she didn't care much for the original.) As did the new generation of today that this edition was geared for.

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  10. It's silly to compare this to the original. It's not a remake...it's a Broadway version of the movie. And Anne Hathaway? Are you serious? LOL. No way. Her singing is horrible. Carrie is far from a "tabloid" public figure. She's an incredible performer and highly successful. Who cares about the acting? I don't. Broadway plays are cheesy and the acting is always a bit over the top. This woman has barely acted and to pull it off LIVE is more than a lot of people here could do, including the owner of this blog.

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    1. Neither I, nor anyone else who commented claimed to be able to do a better job, or any job at all. I know better than to try my hand at performing live on stage. That doesn't mean i don't have an appreciation for good musical and acting talent, and thus expected more quality from NBC. This is just another example of the poor quality of TV because viewers require so little to keep them glued to the set. We should all demand a little more for our viewing time. Remember, this is all about revenue. NBC achieved its goal of providing viewers to its advertising base, and only spent $9M on this production. I'm not the only one who thinks so. Check out what this reviewer had to say! http://bostonherald.com/entertainment/television/love_that_tv/2013/12/carrie_underwoods_sound_of_music_a_hollow_remake.

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    2. Can I make that claim? Is that wrong? Lol :)

      I'm missing why it's Such a big deal that it was live. Stage actors perform 8 shows a week. They're All live.

      For the millions of dollars CU was paid in the past and for this production, she can afford to take some classes. She had how much time? For a production like this, you eat, sleep, and breathe Maria as your life's mission until it's as natural to you as your own name. There's no excuse for a lack of experience because the resources are available to her to learn to do it. It isn't that she isn't capable of acting the role; it's that she isn't capable Yet. If you watch the "Climb Every Mountain" scene it shows. She needs another person to follow. It's the one place where someone else (a bigger actress) takes over and she relaxes long enough to allow Maria to happen regardless of whether or not she speaks.

      http://youtu.be/9H3C3x7zKMA

      That's why others who can and have performed the role, live, for 8 shows a week, with fewer rehearsals, aren't buying the "experience" or "well...it's live" or "I don't see you up there" mentality.

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    3. Yes you can make that claim! I was thinking the same thing! She had an entire year to prepare and this was the best she could come up with?

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    4. Here again Francoise, are you wanting her to portray your Great-grandmother or Julie Andrews? Maria was nothing like Julie Andrews!

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  11. Seems like your voice is one to be heard. So many remakes, I do wonder if Hollywood has anyone really thinking of new ideas. As to the Sound of Music, I loved watching it every year as a little girl.

    Can I imagine anyone else in the role? Of course, you see as an adult I came to *know* the real Von Trapp family and although the base is similar you do not match the Julie Andrews role either.

    I think remaking the movie can be amazing, if the story is told to convey the realities of the Nazi's, the love and determination of family, and of course, ensuring that the basic premise remains.

    Should the Von Trapp family have been included in the decisions or the planning of the remake~of course! I think the insight would have been spectacular. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

    I am looking forward to a rewatch of the Julie Andrews as that by far is the one that made me fall in love with music and so very much more.

    Jennifer

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  12. I have to say that, while I LOVE the movie, I think that the performance last night was pretty good. I enjoyed watching it. I love Stephen Moyer and had hard to seeing him as Captain instead of Bill Compton. While I don't think the show last night paled in comparison to the movie, I do think it was nicely done.

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  13. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on this topic.

    I teach musical theatre voice and acting, and in the weeks leading up to the broadcast, several of my students have brought up the topic of casting. One of them asked, "I wonder what the Von Trapps think," which led me here.

    For them, and for me, it was an exercise in the harsh reality of show business. I created somewhat of a liveblog via Facebook, and would post screenshots from the broadcast with comments like, "there's Ashley Brown. She was Mary Poppins on Broadway. She's playing a household maid...There's Christine Noll..."

    In a production where Broadway greats (with the exception of Audra McDonald who I think was wonderful) take a back seat to those who are not equipped as they are, I'm left answering the question, "why is it that we work on becoming better, more believable actors, learning to be better singers who use the appropriate style for the show, learn to dance, and learn to tailor our auditions to how directors view us, but all she has to do is win a fancy karaoke contest and then she can belt a show that's supposed to be sung legit?"

    I like Carrie Underwood quite a lot. I've taught a lot of her music. She's a great country singer. She just doesn't have the years of training, she would need to pull off this role at this level.

    In writing this show, Rodgers and Hammerstein performed extensive research into your family's beautiful heritage, even in places where the final product deviates from it. The show is cohesive because those writers understood that style is a big part of constructing a musical with an epic storyline such as this one. A true actor will understand that and work to incorporate that into him or herself, rather than saying that the material isn't Their style.

    Thank you again. I'm sorry that you're getting such anonymous flack.

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    1. Thank you Leslie, for posting your name and also for providing such expert insight. You clearly understand where I'm coming from. I guess when we put ourselves out there with our opinions, we risk some serious repercussions. I appreciate your understanding for all the feelings involved here!

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  14. I thought the show last night, was good. It may not have met a Broadway standard, but it was entertaining and fun to watch live. It brought this wonderful story to many who many never have otherwise seen it. I thought CU's acting was ok, not as good as the rest of the adult cast but she held her own, and the singing throughout the show was fantastic. Jen Johnson, Liberty Twp, OH

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  15. My daughter turned the TV last night to watch it. She likes Carrie Underwood. I grew up watching the SOM movie, saw it 3times in a raw when I 1st saw it at the age of ten. I watched 10 minutes and first was not sure if it was SOM or a bad episode of upstairs downstairs. Bad casting. I have seen many high school productions that are better acted. The role of Maria is demanding of charisma credits the only other actress that could have done better: Romy Schneider, now seriously they should have casted Amy Adams or Nicole Kidman. My choice defenitely Ms. Adams.

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  16. I'd rather watch the Blackhawks lose - and they did (and I'm a fan) - than see this hideous remake of a classic. I'm obviously dating myself, but Mary Martin was the GOLD STANDARD for Broadway...I have the Martin/Bikel LP and there's absolutely nothing that can compare to it. I also saw Florence Henderson in the road show, and SHE was good as well. I think they both beat out Julie Andrews as Maria, but having had the benefit of the Broadway LP AND the road show I think I am able to compare performances, and while Julie was quite good she really wasn't exactly the Maria I picture; thus to have this country girl try to reprise even that role would be a hard act to follow, and apparently she really couldn't.

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  17. I'd rather watch the Blackhawks lose - and they did (and I'm a fan) - than watch what could only be a disastrous remake featuring a country singer with nothing to recommend her. As I own the Martin/Bikel LP (the GOLD STANDARD for this play) and saw Florence Henderson in the road show, I have trouble seeing even Julie Andrews in the movie, and from the various reviews of last night I've seen Julie was stunning compared to Underwood. Why, oh why, won't the under-40 generation leave classics alone? Is it because they lack the imagination to do anything original unless it's done by a bloody device/computer?

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  18. Shame on you for acting like a snob..to say Carrie Underwood should be back on stage singing country...it is obvious you DO NOT like her because she is country...She has a beautiful voice...as for your child covering their ears they pick up on their parents feelings....SHAME ON YOU

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  19. Oh for goodness sake. Get over yourself. Shame on YOU for not being brave enough to post using your own name (and that goes for all of you Anonymous posters). Nobody said Carrie doesn't have a great voice. They said she can't ACT and she can't!

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    1. I disagree with that last statement. Carrie can act. Soul Surfer is the example. I saw some solid acting from her the other night, too. And, it was worth the watch.

      It sounds like you are being reasonable and fair as you anticipated and later critiqued the performance. These actors may be inexperienced in live/stage productions- at least the two leads- no takes and re-takes like film. Let’s face it, if it had been a movie more ‘perfecting’ could take place. Here, we froze the frame without freezing the in-the-zone frames. As well, Broadway (live theatre) performs night after night. This was a one-shot deal.

      And no one can remake a classic. No one tried to. Different venue.

      Different gig. Carrie is a big name draw and a lot of folks tuned in to see an all-American girl perform an adaptation of a musical that, it turns out, has special meaning for her. Perhaps her likeability and/or popularity and appeal etc., was the draw for choosing her. She was the right pick; and she succeeded.

      I do agree with you, Francoise, that the clear soprano of Julie Andrews wasn't heard (purity, you call it.) Carrie's timbre and tessitura is different, we wouldn’t be hearing anything similar to the original pipe and dream of Julie Andrews; although Carrie is an exceptional musician with an amazing and gorgeous (powerful, too!) voice. I enjoyed hearing ‘another’ Maria… and, after all, she sang from her heart. Beautiful.

      Carrie’s acting was tentative at first, and seemed to warm up as she got into the performance; then, I relaxed to enjoy. As a mom, singer, picky-music-person :) who loved Julie Andrews as Maria (and her voice!), I thoroughly enjoyed this broadcast. I enjoyed all of the actors’ performances. The children were wonderful! Von Trapp warmed into his role and became believable and intense. I enjoyed Max and Elsa’s portrayers who were lucid/real to observe. And although the accompaniment was too loud throughout, all voices were great! The costumes passed muster. I was impressed with the filming crew! WOW! Did they keep up and do a stellar job. The blocking and choreography were awesome! The energy, the rhythm was there! The pace was just right. The flow was not cogged in any way. There was a bonded cast. It showed. So, it succeeded.

      I understand the Von Trapp legacy is important and the story resonates and warms hearts; so, with all due respect to your heritage, I found the evening to be more of a celebration of all of that rather than a disparagement because it didn’t ‘live up to’ a certain classic and/or celebrity. We can idolize all we want an original, however, at the end of the day, some of us just want to relive a wonderful childhood memory or revisit a place- even though it has changed. This gave that opportunity; look how many turned out for the event! Look how many tuned in! Contrary to what some are saying, there was nothing shameful about it.

      What we received was a well-prepared cast with a solid performance. A wholesome story and relevant to our times, in fact; in a new format: filmed live theatre.

      Carrie was brave (amid pre-criticism) to embrace the opportunity. She gave her all and pulled it off; more power to her!

      I would welcome watching it again- as I do the musical. The Sound of Music is my all-time favorite. And this was an evening well spent.

      Blessings to your family.

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    2. Jill, your comments were spot-on. Wasn't it obvious that from the initial announcement, the directors/producers intended to be provocative by casting Carrie? The intention was to draw in a huge audience with CU's popularity which would expose many folks who ordinarily would not be inclined to watch this venue. They succeeded wildly. I'd like to know the percentage of folks who tuned in just to watch CU vs those who knew the story/movie/live play version.

      Did anyone really expect CU to perform as a polished actress? Not me... I even thought the first press releases were a joke. However as the commercials were released and then the one hour special on the making of the show was released, my family was quite pleased with CU's vocal progress. The use of her mix & head voice in ranges heretofore publicly unheard were surprising. So my family, who is quite knowledgeable in music theater took a wait and see position. We thoroughly enjoyed the production for what it was.

      How many folks benefited from this presentation? Lots of folks were employed on and off stage. The audience was huge. Myriads of CU's fans saw their 1st musical theater production. New and established talent blessed us with their skills. And those who watched saw a TV show without the slightest hesitancy of wondering about the appropriateness of the show and commercials for young ones in the audience. How long has it been since that sentiment could be uttered?

      Let us see this production for what it was and celebrate it.

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    3. I am wondering why someone posting their name gives more legitimacy to their input. really you should be keeping an open mind also and be learning a bit about ego and humility. A story is just a story. Have you honestly fooled yourself into thinking that Maria and Julie Andrews had similar personalities. Perhaps you should start speaking with the folks of Stowe, Vt. who knew her.

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    4. I knew her. I spent every summer of my life in Stowe until I was 10 years old, and then worked at the Trapp Family Lodge for 6 years as an adult. My brother was the GM for years. Every time I use my debit card, wherever I am in the world, I am asked if I am related, how I am related, and how is the movie different than the real story. That is why I started this blog. Maybe if you read more of it you would gain some understanding and be a little less judgmental of my opinions:

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  20. Francoise, you were absolutely right. Carrie sings well, but her acting was - well, community theater at best. It was painful to watch her try, and fail, to do this. How sad.

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  21. This is very rude! Carrie Underwood was very brave for doing this. obviously she's not an actress so obviously she's not good at acting but she did a good job for someone who doesn't act. her singing was phenomenal! It was great. she spent so much time into this musical. she gave it her all. & it was LIVE! I didn't see any of y'all out there singing and acting live. if you haven't done what shes done than you have no room to talk! Stop being rude, she is seeing these comments and I'm sure she's very upset

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  22. This show was not intended to be community theater so while your heart strings are worth noting personally as an aside, the fact is they are not professional or educated criticism tools.

    Criticism is not intended to be personalized but exercised at a level appropriate for the performers intended acceptance when compared to those they want to consider peers.

    First, this is not The Diary of Anne Frank, it's not really about Nazis. It's about a man who thought he was above manual labor and was fortunate enough to find a woman that loved his children so much she married him though she didn't love him... through her, the children save the family from poverty to eventually escape the Nazis on principle with a nice train ride and tour of the US.

    It's really not a romantic story but tragic as Maria gives away large parts of herself for others and finding meaning in life's chaos with a bum husband who'd let the kids work so he didn't have too because he couldn't come to terms with new reality.

    For audiences, a few dramatic points are changed from the facts above but none of this dark side comes through with this poorly executed rendition... did they want to?

    The wasn't the Sound of Music movie or Broadway Show, it was a mushy out of sync mess that some will enjoy just because of their love of the music and childhood, but in reality it deserved a better effort.

    In actuality, it was a hybrid trying to carry both the darker stage intensity and lighter movie joy?!

    As it was intended to be the Christmas type event, they should have simply brought in other pop stars like old Christmas shows so it was just a fun family experience with low professional expectations, David Bowie and Bing Crosby do The Sound of Music.

    At best they got the Ewok Christmas and even Bowie and Bing's special is one of the poorest.

    Even attempting to tap into the darker feel of the stage was silly and unwarranted for a Holiday show with an inexperienced actress.

    A more joyful movie like feel and Underwood might have pulled it off.

    This mix of Underwood with strong stage names made no sense, no one cares about the stage performers when you get to focus on the semi-pro's struggles.

    It's like putting a college baseball player in a pro game just to get a kick, the way it was done by NBC. That poor college kid might be okay but more likely to get embarrassed or even injured.

    So I really fault NBC for trying to create a weird unrealistic hybrid, I'd wrap a few knuckles.

    Sets and costumes looked appropriate but certainly nothing spectacular or a career maker. Lighting too, but the sound mix was embarrassing and had Underwood done great, no one would have felt the full potential. I can run better sound, really bad.

    But she didn't do great, she was more like taking a pop singer, throwing big money at her so she'd say yes, and seeing if maybe you got lucky... cause if she did poorly her fan base would still watch and say be easy on her with no professional expectation, cuz they luv her.

    She receives no sympathy, so did as poor a job as any non-professional stage actor would if thrown on stage on a dare bet... she looked like a country singer doing Shakespeare.

    And no wonder, stage acting is the most demanding and challenging acting there is, many movie actors wouldn't dare, but a greedy country girl would.

    Hathaway, oh get an education. She was marginal & wouldn't have multiple takes so no way. Either pop stars like Underwood or real stage performers, both could have been new classics instead they have this.

    So who would I replace Underwood with... Nathan Lane or Uzo Aduba!


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  23. I'm disappointed that someone with such strong opinions isn't brave enough to also publish his/her name.

    I'm curious about where you get your information regarding my grandfather? Although I never got to meet him, my father represented him as a kind, caring man. He was a much decorated war hero of the 1st World War as a submarine captain. It's kind of difficult to continue in that line of work when your country becomes land-locked. He was also heartbroken by the death of his wife, Agathe. So calling him lazy and a bum is a cheap shot, and it feels personal to me!

    Regarding the rest of your comments - you make some good points. Thanks for the education.

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  24. It's important to remember that this was NOT a "remake" - it was not a "made for TV movie" - in fact, it was not a movie at all - it was a live performance of a PLAY. And the ORIGINAL play, at that. Hopefully it will encourage more such productions. :)

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  25. I think Carrie was great and Ms. Von Trapp was EXTREMELY rude and unkind to say anything about her.

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  26. Indeed Anne did a great job in Les Miserab..but too young for me as Maria, It would be interesting to watch Nicole Kidman in the SOM than Carrie.

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  27. Thank you Carrie! Because of you my Grandaughters and I know and love "The Sound of Music!" We never watched the old one.

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  28. Why are people taking art criticism as a personal attack? If someone doesn't think someone else does a good job it's now "being rude"? People are so weird these days.

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  29. I wish there was a "like" button so I could "like" this comment! I completely agree!

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  30. It was awful...so sorry for your family

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  31. Just a note. All of these comments have to be approved by me before they appear on this blog. Positive or negative, supportive or critical, I have approved every one, because everyone has a right to an opinion.

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  32. Francoise,
    Go get a life! Stop living off your relatives' lives and achievements.

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  33. Not surprised you didn't put my comment in about your hanging on to your relatives' coattails in terms of THEIR lives and achievements.

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    1. Both are posted here, and sorry if I was too busy with my real life to pay attention to your rude and uninformed comments as soon as they appeared. Although you're not telling anything anyone else hasn't posted before you. You fail in originality, as well as your cowardice in identifying yourself.

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